| recipe-hunter |
| | March 31, 2006 | | #1 |
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In the Victorian recipes, "sweet milk" is often an ingredient. What is SWEET MILK? |
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| Rena |
| | April 18, 2006 | | #2 |
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THE CHALLENGE: Try a recipe that calls for "sweet milk" as in the 1870s recipe, Washington Pie, and use unsalted whole milk first for the sweet milk. Try the recipe again, this time using sweetened condensed milk. Washington Pie. 1 cup of sugar 1/3 cup of butter 1/2 cup of sweet milk 1 and 1/3 cup of flour 1 egg 1/2 teaspoonful of soda 1 of cream of tartar lemon flavor Grease 2 round tins, and put in the above. Bake until done. Then put it on a dinner plate, spread with nice apple-sauce, or sauce of any kind; then another layer of cake on top. It is nice without sauce, but sauce improves it. Win Victorian New Year's Day - Menus and Recipes eBook from Merrymeeting Archives LLC by posting your Washington Pie baking experience here.
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| Mrs Thurber |
| | April 21, 2006 | | #3 |
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Soda is an alkali. To create carbonic gas it must come in contact with an acid. There is no acid in fresh, sweet milk. Lightness in bread, cake, and biscuits is obtained by beating air into the batter, also moisture and carbonic-acid gas. I will put a tablespoon of sour milk into a test tube then add a pinch of baking soda. I'll shake the tube-- watch what happens! and If you use sweet milk with the soda, that does not happen. |
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| quatroventi |
| | May 13, 2006 | | #4 |
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I really don't have the time or the inclination to make Washington pie twice in order to find out what happens when one uses whole vs sweeten condensed. Moreover as to the chemistry lesson about soda and sour milk, I get the picture, but still no definition of sweet milk.
I have is a recipe from my deceased grandmother via a deceased aunt for just about the best white cake I've ever tasted. It calls for 3 1/2 teaspoons of baking powder, no soda, and 1 cup of sweet milk. The recipe also includes 1 1/4 cups of sugar and other predictable ingredients like flour, shortening, vanilla, etc.
Looking up "sweet milk" recipes on the internet has been an exercise in futility because some call for whole milk, some for sweetened condensed and one even suggests that you put a bunch of raisins in nonfat milk and let it steep overnight to make sweet milk. Is there anyone out there who would hazard a guess as to what kind of "sweet milk" might be called for in this cake recipe? |
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| football |
| | May 15, 2006 | | #5 |
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u r all sad :tongue: sad recipe hunters u need a proper life |
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| rena | |
| sparkle |
| | May 30, 2006 | | #7 |
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i dont think were all sad,each to their own,then who's sadder someone leaving e/mails to people to who they think are sad!!! |
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| Rena |
| | June 04, 2006 | | #9 |
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The opposite of buttermilk is sweet milk -- a verbal definition I heard, and I figure this may mean freshly milked milk, before buttermilk is made. |
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| Quatroventi |
| | June 05, 2006 | | #10 |
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| Thank you Aaron & Rena. Another of my aunts (age 82) agrees with you both that "sweet milk" simply means "whole milk." I made the cake and it turned out just right. |
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| Lawrence |
| | Sept 06, 2006 | | #11 |
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Sweet milk is simply fresh milk, not buttermilk. It's an old-fashioned Southern term commonly used to distinguish between the two in the days before refrigeration, when people churned their own butter and always had buttermilk on hand. Sometimes, it's preferable to bake using "sweet" milk when there are other strongly flavored ingredients, such as sharp Cheddar cheese.
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| Maureen |
| | Jan 08, 2007 | | #12 |
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Re. sweet milk, my teacher's history resource book (I'm based in Ireland) explains exactly what you have already been told! It's regular, ordinary milk: This would have been more of a treat in old days, when buttermilk was the norm, being thinner, therefore cheaper to buy. The children's history textbook had a printed passage written by a man who lived on the outskirts of Dublin about 150 years ago. In it, he described his typical diet. Sweet milk was one of the few foods he had access to. (But he did manage a cup of tea on a Sunday! Which was considered a real treat, even though he didn't really like the taste!) As Dublin was under British rule at the time, and was geographically close, it would have been typically victorian in many ways, (but not all!). Therefore you can be fairly certain that the sweet milk referred to in your recipes really does mean what you have taken it to mean: this man was english-speaking, so the term should have held the same meaning as it did across the water in England! |
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| pamela Tyrrell |
| | Jan 14, 2007 | | #13 |
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get this! I have a recipe that calls for sweet milk and milk. Since all that is in my house is 2% milk, guess I'll just use that and see what happens.
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| maureen |
| | Jan 14, 2007 | | #14 |
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Hey, Pamela, I thought I had solved it, but you're throwing the cat amongst the pigeons! Is your recipe going back to victorian times too????? |
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| katie |
| | Jan 28, 2007 | | #15 |
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Thanks for this. I've been searching in vain for an explanation on "Sweet Milk". There's too many internet hits! I found a copycat recipe for the Red Lobster Restaurants Cheese Biscuits and it calls for "sweet milk". |
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| christine |
| | April 20, 2007 | | #16 |
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I have this wonderful recipe, I am told. But it also calls for sweet milk, I have tried it twice with sweetened condensed milk and it is clearly not the correct sweet milk I am looking for. Since it is an old southern recipe I will go with whole milk. Buttermilk is also in the recipe. Thanks everyone for clearing up my problem. |
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| Jerri |
| | June 27, 2007 | | #17 |
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I am looking for the old fashion recipe of sweet milk. I have read all of the replies and in a sense the answers are right. But the recipe I am looking for is the excess fresh milk from a cow that was turned into sweet milk (like condensed milk) and was canned in quart jars for later use. It was used mostly by children and babies who did not like fresh milk. It was also very nutritious. |
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| Maureen |
| | June 27, 2007 | | #18 |
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I am based in Ireland, and here we can still purchase canned "condensed" milk in powder form. It's also available in the U.K. This powdered milk is what would be used in the making of "Banoffi", in case this explains anything!! It may be what you require: It is basically sweetened, powdered milk, which can be bought in a small red and white airtight tin: I think the brand-name is "Carnation", if that helps at all!! That name may be slightly wrong, but I will find out for you if you think that's what you're looking for: I'll even send it to you if you don't have access to it because of your location! I lived in Boston for a few years, and was amazed to find I couldn't purchase ingredients which I took for granted at home: Home-cooking became very much an adapted version of same, and I understand the frustration! Get back to me on this and I'll see if I can help.
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| nicola |
| | Aug 23, 2007 | | #19 |
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Hi I am a Civil War re-enactor in the UK and have had the same problems of trying to find out what "sweet milk" is. I am going to try a cornmeal bread with whole milk and another with condensed as I will be baking on a skillet over an open fire. It will be interesting to see and taste the difference. Will let you know next week! |
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| Maureen |
| | Aug 23, 2007 | | #20 |
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Hey, Nicola, Best of luck in your trials, sounds cool! If I could, I'd taste the regular milk version though!!!!! Hope you have fun testing..... Maureen.
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| Niecy |
| | Aug 25, 2007 | | #21 |
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Sweet milk is fresh whole milk. And for souther cornbread you can use buttermilk or fresh whole milk. I live in Mississippi and you can't get more southern than that and we don't use cond. milk in cornbread. |
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| Tracy |
| | Oct 16, 2007 | | #22 |
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Hey I can remember baking cookies with my grandmother and sweet milk was not whole milk. Neither was it canned sweetened condensed milk. I do however think it is somewhere in between. I can remember the milk being warm so I think we actually heated it and added sugar. I also wonder if it wasnt sweetened condensed milk that we recontituted in a pan on the stove since water mixes so badly with the canned stuff. If I remember right - and I was only about 8 or 9 - it was 3 cans to one water to S.C. milk. I know my chocolate halfmoon cookies come out runny with whole milk and too stiff with straight canned S.C. milk. Remember too that whole milk "back in the day" was actually real live whole milk with nothing taken away. Todays whole milk has alot of its milk fat removed and I think I heard it was only about 4% (no wonder it tastes more and more like water). Anyways my next round of half moon cookies I am going to reconstitute a can of sweetened condensed milk on the stove and try again. I will see what 1:1 looks like and then maybe go 2:1 or 3:1 water to milk depending on how thick it looks to me when it is done.
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| Lydia |
| | Nov 21, 2007 | | #23 |
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HELLO? I'll cut throught the B.S. Sweet milk is simply an "old-fashioned" term for regular whole milk from a cow. (as opposed to buttermilk which was used frequently to cook with in the south) My southern grandmother used the term sweet milk all the time. She churned her own butter and milked her own cows. Many women her age used this term.
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| Troy Turpen |
| | Nov 21, 2007 | | #24 |
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Thank you, everyone, for your comments! I have a family recipe for Chess Pie that requires Sweet Milk, that I simply didn't understand...and I have an idea that if I could get the milk straight from the cow, I'd be in business!
I've tried the recipe with condensed milk and it works great...but this is a sweet pie, so it would follow. I'll try whole milk, but maybe I'll add a little bit of light or heavy cream to boost the fat content.
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| Beth |
| | Nov 27, 2007 | | #25 |
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Hey everybody out there looking to find out about sweetmilk... I think it's really cool. I was just looking up what sweet milk was to make a recipe for potato doughnuts from my amish/mennonite cookbook. I called my mother first, who seemed to agree with sweet milk being milk right from the cow which of course not too many people have any more. Old recipies are very interesting and fun to use and I think we won't have much time left to call mom's who actually remember using the actual sweet milk!
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| Deb |
| | Feb 13, 2008 | | #26 |
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I just searched sweet milk because I have a recipe for Chocolate Drop cookies from my mom that calls for sweet milk. I am one of the few lucky ones who still has access to fresh whole milk! My husband is a dairy farmer and I will be able to get milk straight from the milk tank tonight to make these cookies for my husbands Valentines Day gift! Thanks! |
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| billf |
| | March 08, 2008 | | #27 |
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In response to Mrs Thurber on 04/21/06 who wrote ...
"Soda is an alkali. To create carbonic gas it must come in contact with an acid. There is no acid in fresh, sweet milk."
Response - That may be true - however, Cream of Tartar is the acid, not the milk.
As the recipe states...
"1/2 teaspoonful of soda 1 of cream of tartar"
What you have in effect is baking powder, which contains its own acid and base.
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| Joanne |
| | March 13, 2008 | | #28 |
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Sweet Milk is Whole Milk. Years ago they did not have a variety of milk products. To assist in distinguishing from Sour Cream and Butter Milk, they used the name, Sweet Milk. I also have old recipes and had to go through great lengths to find out what Sweet Milk was - so now you know.
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| zito |
| | March 16, 2008 | | #29 |
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sweetmilk is caramel. |
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| Bakerman |
| | Sept 23, 2008 | | #30 |
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Ladies and gentleman, sweet milk is just plain ol' whole milk. Trust me!!!! Sweet milk was also a term used in the South. I have many recipes that my great grandmother left me that calls for sweet milk. I also watched her in her kitchen, and guess what.....she used whole milk!
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| JenPalmer |
| | Dec 27, 2008 | | #31 |
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| I too am in search of the real definition of "sweet milk" because I'm going to try to re-create my Great-Grandmother's icebox rolls for Dad... He grew up in the Depression, and he can tell me for sure that it was cake yeast... but nothing else about them. I reckon that since he's still going on about them 80 years later it's worth an attempt. I think, though, that I will try to use non-homogenized whole milk (the the cream on top). That is decidedly sweeter than regular whole milk. |
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| Kathryn |
| | Nov 23, 2009 | | #32 |
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My grandmother used to use "top milk" which was actually just cream, but while studying online, I read that human breast milk was referred to as "sweet milk". It may be that breastmilk was used in recipes back then? There was not the huge stigma against it back then and was used for all types of people from children to sick people. Maybe where the term "Nurse" came from? As for the recipe, it makes a lot of sense when you think about what was available to them, especially since refridgeration was an issue. |
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| Cindy |
| | Jan 19, 2010 | | #33 |
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Trying to bake a pound cake that calls for "SWEET MILK" So glad I found this website with all your comments! I have had a blast reading all the emails on the subject. Frankly, I don't care what it means at this point just happy to have such great company on the search for the true meaning of "SWEET MILK" LOL! |
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| Dolores-farm girl |
| | May 28, 2010 | | #34 |
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| " The cream always rises to the top." Milk directly from the cow contains all the butterfat or sweet cream. It is natural for the cream to separate and come to the surface. We would skim the cream for coffee and such or make butter with it which was common-see sweet creamery butter in stores today. The homogenization process used today prevents this separation. It is my educated guess that sweet milk-an older southern term-is milk that contains all the cream or butterfat and before homogenization existed. It is in fact milk directly from the cow. Nothing to do with adding sugar or sweetened condensed milk although milk does contain it's own natural sugars. |
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| Rena |
| | June 08, 2010 | | #35 |
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So Dolores-farm girl, a recipe that asks for sweet butter is butter made from the cream from the top of fresh milk ? : )
Just ran into this recipe :
MUSTARD SAUCE, from the Book Mother’s Cook Book, 1902 Put half a pint of milk in a perfectly clean stewpan, and set it over a moderate fire; put into a pint bowl a heaping tablespoonful of wheat flour, quarter of a pound of sweet butter, and a saltspoonful of salt; work these well together with the back of a spoon, then pour into it, stirring it all the time, half a pint of boiling water; when it is smooth, stir it into the boiling milk, let it simmer for five minutes or more…Stir three tablespoonfuls of mixed mustard and a speck of Cayenne into the butter sauce… and it is done…. -- from http://historiccookingschool.com
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| Tim Simmons |
| | Oct 06, 2010 | | #36 |
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All true Southerners that aint from the city knows that "sweet milk" is just regular whole milk. Because they drinked buttermilk and regular milk, so they called it sweet milk. In the mountains of Ga we still call it sweet milk. |
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| Rena |
| | Oct 10, 2010 | | #37 |
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I tend to agree with you, Tim. |
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